honda0105

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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2012 2:04:12 AM
humancry: if it were as safe as touted, then why are areas where there were no problems before (WY, AR, TX, PA, etc) suddenly having problems with their drinking water being polluted by various HydroCarbons and folks are being told not to consume the water?
If the industry were to use only what's disclosed and there was such great safety in place (it looks good on paper, but that's a whole 'nudda ball o' wax ...), then why are these pollutants coinciding w/ the drilling?
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my2002m

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 8:01:22 PM
More people, greater need for water.
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DrCashFlow

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 7:55:49 PM
Water will get more and more expensive
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NHLiveFree

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 7:55:04 PM
I'm sure these residents of Wyoming are not too happy that hydraulic fracturing has poisoned the water in their homes. It's tough when you can't take a shower without getting gassed by methane eminating from the showerhead!!! Don't light any matches!
Of course our EPA Director knows nothing about this. Fortunately the Governor of Wyoming does.
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rbrk02

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 4:31:57 PM
humancry, great observation.
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MBAcura

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 1:27:25 PM
bout time
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rippinusoff

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 12:45:20 PM
ok
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nemoFL

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 12:38:22 PM
not good
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EmperorsFinest

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 12:35:42 PM
Hmmmm corporate profit or safely diposition the chemicals. Easy choice for us. Much harder for Corporate.
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AJeepLife

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 12:33:04 PM
Any time we add chemicals deep into the ground, there is a risk of spoilage in other areas. THUS the reason to look for less toxic means in the fracking process
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nigelb

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 12:28:38 PM
Everyone who thinks fracking is great should read this! Public safety and clean water must take priority over corporate profit. Looks like the EPA is needed after all despite the Republican clowns wanting to destroy it.
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The_DR

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 12:28:27 PM
amazing
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caddilac

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 12:23:02 PM
Interesting.
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CiVX

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 12:17:58 PM
We got to get our pryorities strait Corporate profits or health and quality of life for the masses; I'm sure we will be told what is best.
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72_Monte

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 12:17:51 PM
A lesson to those so hyped for fracking in your state.
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dchiou

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 12:16:25 PM
maybe it's due to fracking?
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humancry

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 12:14:36 PM
IM LISTENING TO THIS GAS BUDDYS IDEA HE SEEMS TO KNOW WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT:
drpepperTX Champion Author Texas
Posts:3,047 Points:286,470 Joined:Apr 2011 Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 3:38:09 PM Ignore drpepperTX Report Abuse
Ok teafertwo wanted to know how a well is drilled. This was cut and pasted from a NASDAQ article from two or three days ago. Please note the casing structures that are designed to protect the aquifer that is drilled through.
So what does a horizontal hydraulic fracturing natural gas well look like? Variations abound depending on geography, but each well more or less matches this "anatomy." The following well design reflects a Barnett Shale gas well in North Texas.
Lets assume natural gas sits 8,000 feet below the surface, and an aquifer lies 1,000 feet below the surface. This is what the frackers actually do:
0- 1,050 ft.
Using a 12.5-inch drill, crews dig into the ground to roughly 50 feet (can be more) below the water table. Regulations in other states require different depths but in general, wells are drilled below any sources of ground water. Once completed, a 9.62-inch metal tube or casing is installed through the entire length of this hole. Crews then fill the annular, or circular, space between the surface casing and the raw earth with cement to seal off the aquifer from the eventual flow of natural gas back up the well.
1,050 - 7,500 ft.
Through the surface casing, a smaller drilling pipe is then inserted, and starting from the bottom of the casing pipe, crews dig a smaller hole 8.75 inches in diameter to 7,500 ft. This depth will be considered the "kickoff point" where drillers start the horizontal curve in any which direction depending on geologic surveys. The idea is to drill in the direction believed to yield the most hydrocarbons.
7,500 - 8,000 ft.
Using a specialized piece of equipment that can both drill down and at an angle, drilling crews will start extending the vertical well horizontally from the "kickoff point." This portion can extend for another 1,000 ft., before the well levels off completely.
8,000 ft.
Once in the pocket of hydrocarbons, crews will continue drilling for another 2,500 or 3,000 ft horizontally. To the north in the Bakken Shale oil play of North Dakota and Montana, crews can drill horizontally for up to 10,000 ft. The size of the well depends on the company's lease. Once the well is drilled to the desired "total depth," drilling equipment is taken out of the well and a second type of casing is run down the entire length of the well - usually measuring about 5.5 inches in diameter.
This production casing will stretch from the surface to total depth. Once in place, crews will cement the annular space between the production casing and the 8.75-inch hole the casing was introduced in.
Working from the bottom up, cement will be poured thoughout the horizontal and curved portion of the well and roughly 1,000 ft into the vertical shaft. The cementing helps push the drilling mud and other fluids up through the remaining 3.25-inch annular space separating the casing with the raw earth.
By now, the well is structurally complete. Once the cement has settled, a pneumatic perforator is sent down into the horizontal portion of the well, or total depth, and will punch holes through the casing. This is done so as to allow the fracturing fluids and sands to infiltrate the rock, fracture it, and collect any hydrocarbons located there.
One well can be hydraulically fractured many times. Crews can frack the same well progressing along its total depth by 50 feet at a time, or as desired, pumping hundreds of thousands of gallons of water and chemicals into the ground.
Important to note: one drilling rig can drill multiple wells. Read more: http://community.nasdaq.com/News/2012-01/text deleted
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FOURXFOUR

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 12:14:31 PM
we need lake mead...
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silverfoxv65

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 12:14:30 PM
Just dont light a match!
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themaninthehat

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 12:10:18 PM
like I've been saying ...
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GryphonX

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 12:10:15 PM
Sounds like the water at my house ... which is fallout from the Silver mining boom in NV 150 years ago ...
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honkerman

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 12:09:57 PM
Some talk, some listen, some ignore, some care, some don't.
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soakmonkey

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 12:07:10 PM
hmm
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radiorumor

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 12:06:37 PM
Frack on, what could possible go wrong?
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redhornet

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 12:05:37 PM
Big deal/
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Thomtec

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 12:03:54 PM
Everybody wants to be Erin Brocovich (sp)
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marsbars

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 12:02:28 PM
Wow!
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swkcpi

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 12:02:24 PM
Great job drpepperTX. Everyone should read this first before they run their mouths off, talking about something they have no understanding of.
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nimpy

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 11:56:18 AM
talk does no good
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TANGOTANGO

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 11:56:16 AM
Who cares!
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wulf2000

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 11:55:58 AM
Once the price of gas is above $4 or $5 this problem will be resolved and they are going to drill, drill and drill.
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drpepperTX

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 11:53:45 AM
In testimony before the House Subcomittee two days ago an EPA official said that the Pavillion draft report did not condemn fracing.
Link
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uptherefiners

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 11:52:24 AM
gas(oline) prices?...
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friday21

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 11:50:59 AM
zzzzzzzzzz
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hank1326

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 11:45:27 AM
Simple solution for this mess. Act quickly and safely.
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OldMoses

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 11:45:02 AM
z
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NashGas

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 11:42:39 AM
We need more gas, not water, drill baby drill!
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Kato51

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 11:40:44 AM
This water issue needs to be foremost in everyones agenda.
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Drew12345

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 11:38:23 AM
How many more reports on wells getting tainted by these companies do we have to hear to finally realize we don't need oil or natural gas. Try maybe a renewable resource.
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drpepperTX

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 11:38:09 AM
Ok teafertwo wanted to know how a well is drilled. This was cut and pasted from a NASDAQ article from two or three days ago. Please note the casing structures that are designed to protect the aquifer that is drilled through.
So what does a horizontal hydraulic fracturing natural gas well look like? Variations abound depending on geography, but each well more or less matches this "anatomy." The following well design reflects a Barnett Shale gas well in North Texas.
Lets assume natural gas sits 8,000 feet below the surface, and an aquifer lies 1,000 feet below the surface. This is what the frackers actually do:
0- 1,050 ft.
Using a 12.5-inch drill, crews dig into the ground to roughly 50 feet (can be more) below the water table. Regulations in other states require different depths but in general, wells are drilled below any sources of ground water. Once completed, a 9.62-inch metal tube or casing is installed through the entire length of this hole. Crews then fill the annular, or circular, space between the surface casing and the raw earth with cement to seal off the aquifer from the eventual flow of natural gas back up the well.
1,050 - 7,500 ft.
Through the surface casing, a smaller drilling pipe is then inserted, and starting from the bottom of the casing pipe, crews dig a smaller hole 8.75 inches in diameter to 7,500 ft. This depth will be considered the "kickoff point" where drillers start the horizontal curve in any which direction depending on geologic surveys. The idea is to drill in the direction believed to yield the most hydrocarbons.
7,500 - 8,000 ft.
Using a specialized piece of equipment that can both drill down and at an angle, drilling crews will start extending the vertical well horizontally from the "kickoff point." This portion can extend for another 1,000 ft., before the well levels off completely.
8,000 ft.
Once in the pocket of hydrocarbons, crews will continue drilling for another 2,500 or 3,000 ft horizontally. To the north in the Bakken Shale oil play of North Dakota and Montana, crews can drill horizontally for up to 10,000 ft. The size of the well depends on the company's lease. Once the well is drilled to the desired "total depth," drilling equipment is taken out of the well and a second type of casing is run down the entire length of the well - usually measuring about 5.5 inches in diameter.
This production casing will stretch from the surface to total depth. Once in place, crews will cement the annular space between the production casing and the 8.75-inch hole the casing was introduced in.
Working from the bottom up, cement will be poured thoughout the horizontal and curved portion of the well and roughly 1,000 ft into the vertical shaft. The cementing helps push the drilling mud and other fluids up through the remaining 3.25-inch annular space separating the casing with the raw earth.
By now, the well is structurally complete. Once the cement has settled, a pneumatic perforator is sent down into the horizontal portion of the well, or total depth, and will punch holes through the casing. This is done so as to allow the fracturing fluids and sands to infiltrate the rock, fracture it, and collect any hydrocarbons located there.
One well can be hydraulically fractured many times. Crews can frack the same well progressing along its total depth by 50 feet at a time, or as desired, pumping hundreds of thousands of gallons of water and chemicals into the ground.
Important to note: one drilling rig can drill multiple wells. Read more: http://community.nasdaq.com/News/2012-01/text deleted
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TustinDad

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 11:37:55 AM
bbthegun wrote: "Problem was created decades ago and it'll take decades to correct it. We have much better clean water laws on the books now."
And that wouldn't be because of the ever so hated EPA. would it?
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Drew12345

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 11:37:24 AM
Na thats impossible... the companies only after money wouldn't poison the normal folk. They care so much.
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ClevelandWheele

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 11:36:41 AM
Blah blah blah....
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jessek

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 11:35:02 AM
Address the issues upfront.
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Taurus1

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 11:31:42 AM
talk now, rather than later.
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WinderGuy

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 11:30:40 AM
ok
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drpepperTX

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 11:28:21 AM
Hang on tea I'll get the how to drill a well article up for you.
[Edited by: drpepperTX at 2/3/2012 3:33:24 PM EST]
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SUPERQUACK

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 11:27:36 AM
OKAY
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GatorGuy

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 11:26:47 AM
Sounds like we need another pipeline....
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rjoeh

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 11:25:21 AM
I wonder if the governor could spare the time??? Sounds more like an issue of needing to establish a secure water supply to the homes effectedvia pipeline.
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