rlgraham99
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2008 7:35:37 AM
After reviewing the Ethos site (all of their links are not even working with "Error 404: NOT FOUND!"), and after reviewing the responses posted here, I am totally against it. My vote is NO. While you need advertising, it should be for useful products that actually work.
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BusBoy52
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2008 11:49:34 AM
If is is unproven, then you are just adding to the overall problems.....we have had snake oil salesmen for decades....at this time, it does not belong here!
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Comeau
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Message Posted: Nov 2, 2008 8:55:52 AM
This appears as a conflict of interest to the site. Consumers Review for example does evaluations of all types of products. However, they do not take any money from companies for advertisements since it could appear the review was effected by money from those companies.
I suggest staying clear of any type of advertisement that has to do with oil or gas.
[Edited by: Comeau at 11/2/2008 12:59:54 PM EST]
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MnSwede
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2008 10:36:00 AM
no, unless they show the results of a double blind study.
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NightDiver
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2008 10:00:59 AM
Not sure, I'm getting the impression the Ethos is not a proven additive and if this is so then I would change my vote to NO
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Prostreetauto
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2008 6:24:47 AM
Ethos Fuel Enhancer did not work for me. They are supposed to give you $100 in Gas Cards back and never did. I think you should drop them and only use reputable companies.
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kegga_99
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2008 12:39:43 AM
Whatever you need to do.
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Panama19
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2008 9:04:31 PM
Makes no difference to me one way or another.
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Ednel1
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2008 8:52:37 PM
The creditability of this site goes way down when unproven claim fuel additives are pushed/pop-up advertised here. Keep them away! Fuel additives only clean the fuel system or raise octane. I used to own an auto parts store and sold many fuel additives. I would not sell one that wasted the customer's money, or one that I would not use myself.
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55dadman
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2008 12:55:57 PM
do your homework and check things out prior to your decision. if the product is crap tell everyone you know. if its good stuff... tell everyone you know.
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elhjr
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2008 1:41:09 PM
not sure about products like this..If I knew for sure that a product would increase my gas mileage I might be open to it.
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fishboss
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2008 6:59:44 AM
I have been using fuel additives for years, and all I have noticed is they clean the carb. or the injectors which ever is used by your car. The only real enhanced fuel additive that helps with fuel savings is eeFuel or F2-21 . This was used in California to cut the emissions on the cars, by separating the clumps of fuel and letting it burn the fuel better. At least I have tried it and went from 16 to 20 miles per gallon in the F150 Ford FX2 Pickup
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jdmarque
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2008 6:42:05 PM
A certain amount of endorsement is implied when you allow an advertiser on your site, by virtue of the type of site that you are. I would think that you would only accept advertising from companies that the management of GasBuddies approves. I have followed several links from ads on your site and would be very disappointed in the site if the companies advertised here were fraudulent or gained a bad reputation. I don't know about this product or company, but expect that YOU would. Please don't lead us in any wrong directions.
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66ImpSS396
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Message Posted: Oct 5, 2008 4:23:49 PM
I don't know the product, the company or there reputation. I hesitate to comment without research
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E430
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Message Posted: Oct 3, 2008 6:45:26 PM
If the product is not illegal or immoral than it's just an ad. Most of what is advertised does not interest me. There is no reason to treat this product differently than anything else that is for sale.
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Suzyizi
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Message Posted: Oct 3, 2008 5:17:48 PM
It is not very economical, sorry. I thought the purpose of GasPrices.com is to help the consumer save money and lessen our waste.
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55dadman
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2008 3:06:04 PM
Advertising is fine. Popups are an abomination. Do your own research on anything that tickles your interest.
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740i
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2008 6:05:04 AM
I tried Ethos in both my VW Passat and BMW740i. The results were mixed. I have a stretch of road 7 miles long, speed limit of 50mph with no stops. I use this to test my gas mileage. Both vehicles compute their gas mileage while driving. The Passat showed no increase using Ethos and the BMW showed an increase of 3%, maybe I had a tail wind that day?
I would not recommend that you use them as an advertiser.
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PithyOpiner
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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2008 12:18:14 PM
Sure, we are democratic here. Let everybody who wants to advertise here advertise to their hearts content.
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vgahuja
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2008 11:32:06 AM
No
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jakTDI
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2008 10:18:23 AM
it's right up there with inflating your tires to the proper level.
educate yourself about what works and what does not.
and if this works, tell each other.
and if it does not, tell each other.
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SgtV
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2008 8:37:25 AM
I have to say that there will always be ads. The ad dollars are what pay the bills for websites. Just cause there is an ad on a website does not mean that you need to buy it. Just do the research on the product before you buy it.
Make an informed purchase.
Just like andog said "Caveat emptor" - "let the buyer beware"
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lostlo
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2008 10:59:51 AM
I thought it was lame that gas buddy carried ads for something that's been known to be a scam for ages, but does manage to suck desperate people in - and really, that the ads are on this site does imply credibility.
Then I learned about the link between this (and other MSM scams) and scientology, and it's gone from shameless to downright evil in my mind. Absolutely they should be dropped as an advertiser.
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rschnoor
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2008 9:29:22 AM
no
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Showbizk
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2008 4:36:55 AM
Folks, how naive are we? This kind of scam--and that's what it is--has been going on forever, certainly in all of MY 66 years of life. If there were some simplistic method or add-on that would REALLY result in a substantial increase in fuel mileage with no damage to engine or ancillary equipment like sensors, don't you think a CAR COMPANY would use it and claim the higher CAFE numbers, etc., for their advertising and on the window sticker? In honesty, I've tried a couple of additives and add-ons (cold electricity to non-firing spark plugs is one example--sheesh!) with nothing but negative results. Either they were a waste of money, or worse, they caused some engine or sensor damage.
There ain't no easy, simplistic piece of equipment or engine additive that will magically tune the engine or otherwise improve fuel mileage, regardless of claims. Drive more slowly; gentle on the gas and brake, coast a lot, inflate your times 5-8 lbs above recommendation (but not higher than the max listed on the sidewall!), keep the air filter and fuel filter up to date, change oil, don't warm up the car more than 30 seconds, etc. Those are your best bets.
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jbcol1
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Message Posted: Aug 13, 2008 5:52:07 AM
I tried Ethos and was really disappointed. I got 1 mpg improvement over 4 weeks. Not really worth the cost for me. Or the trouble. Had to reset my fuel injectors 4 times by disconnecting the battery...
Oh well, had high hopes!!!
John
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willyneu
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Message Posted: Aug 12, 2008 8:44:07 AM
I have seen both positive & negative on another topic for this product. Some people say it works & others say it does not. I have thought about but not sure if I want to try it. I may start using Amsoil again before trying this product.
If the moderators feel it is a good advertiser, so be it.
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andog
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Message Posted: Aug 10, 2008 12:03:02 PM
Caveat emptor
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Bergcas
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Message Posted: Aug 10, 2008 9:15:08 AM
If it is advertised on this site it better work.
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kencrawleysc
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Message Posted: Aug 8, 2008 8:23:21 AM
If the site needs the money, let the free market reign!
The only fuel additive that works 100% is: add more gas
Ken
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Rocketman99
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Message Posted: Aug 3, 2008 6:36:57 AM
I actually have used the product and it worked for me. I had the opportunity of driving to Charlotte and back from the Albany area at a time when I was using Ethos. My results were pretty good. Interesting to me was the results Varied from one gas company to next. I purchased Chevron gas in Salem Va and my mileage went from 23 MPG to 26 MPG. Normal for my vehicle is 20. Still, all in all, the product worked well for me.
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AlohaStar
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2008 7:49:19 AM
I bought Ethos in May. Could give you the long version, but who would read it? No change in gas mileage. Called 4 times to get my double back guarantee; person on phone said I would get call back next day to report my mileage log. No call backs, instead, received 21 emails telling me I didn't reply in 24 or 48 hours so my ticket was closed. Responded to each email. Finally got a reply and a $79.95 refund posted to my credit card account, but no double back $. Also after several attempts to get gas voucher promised with buying Ethos (one excuse was the person in charge had to attend his mother's funeral so he was behind, another excuse was they were having trouble with the provider of my email account). Finally coupon registration came through email--now I have to pay a 100% guarantee refund on a $5 deposit in order to get my $25 gas voucher. No way, Jose. Online discussion on Ethos website, one person wrote he had to replace his oxygen sensor due to Ethos.
Bottom line--GAS BUDDY you are not a BUDDY to allow advertiser pop ups like this one.
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disneyaholic
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2008 2:56:42 PM
I really have not heard any "real" positives about this. If it is a SURE thing to help consumers that is one thing, but don't let this be a spot where people are taken, especially in a time when $ is so precious.
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radstoy
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2008 4:41:00 AM
I was most disappointed with Ethos Fuel Enhancer and I did accept it because it was listed on this site. Oh well I guess it's a case of live and learn.
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amacquarrie
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Message Posted: Jul 21, 2008 2:26:51 PM
I agree - if it keeps this site funded, then I don't mind side ads. I just hate pop-ups
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Maryterrytoo
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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2008 4:00:28 PM
There should be a disclaimer on the ad. Even though people know it's an ad, it carries more weight based on the reputation of the site it's on.
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SoccerFanatics
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2008 6:11:05 PM
I've thought about this question, and actually changed my answer. I now think an OCCASIONAL pop=up would be acceptable if it helps keep this site funded.
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nanavx2
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Message Posted: Jul 13, 2008 5:32:40 AM
Thanks guys, I was really looking at buying the stuff, but we have two new cars and i didn't want mess up the warranties or anything.
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VikiNV
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Message Posted: Jul 12, 2008 6:59:24 PM
If everyone is allowed to post opinions then if there are any problems with a product people can send out an alert. If a business is told they can't give an opinion then we could miss out on something that is really great. So it's 6 of one and 1/2 doz. of another. I have read the reports and won't get the product.
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RunningBall
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Message Posted: Jul 8, 2008 4:12:29 AM
According to report from the Ohio Better Business Bureau, not a single company that claims to have a fuel additive to increase fuel mileage can prove that their product actually works. In many cases the companies are being taken to court over the claims.
Just because a product is approved by the EPA, does not mean it works. The EPA only certifies that the product does not harm engines or cause the creation of additional pollutants.
[Edited by: RunningBall at 7/8/2008 8:13:44 AM EST]
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jun 30, 2008 12:32:36 PM
There's a significant difference between advertising and endorsing. I don't think many people here will assume that GasBuddy is endorsing any of the products displayed on its website. Yes, some will, but I would think that the majority of members are intelligent enough to know the difference.
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Zen
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Message Posted: Jun 30, 2008 10:35:32 AM
I think GasBuddy does risk its credibility somewhat, if viewers associate the products with the site. Ultimately, so long as advertisements are clearly identified as such, I do not see a problem.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2008 3:44:28 PM
The missing choice for this question is "I don't care" or "It's not for me to say" (both significantly different than Not sure/Don't Know.
If management thinks tht Ethos Fuel Enhancer is a legal and legitimate product, then it's a business decision to have them as a client or advertiser. After all, I might find fault with the Discovery Card, or with INSWeb, or with eBay who are advertisers, because I might not believe they do what they claim to do.
Acceptance of an advertiser is best left to management and those in the employ of management (legal staff and others), not to a bunch of people who join a website anonymously, many of who are anonymously concerned with getting points or getting a new icon or "new car" as quickly as possible.
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Spirits
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2008 12:23:20 PM
NO If it's not a proven method and I dought that it is then don't allow them to rip off others that don't know any better.
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johnaweber
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2008 9:49:07 AM
I tried it and it doesn't work. 0 difference. The first shipment got damaged in transit and I had to call to get it replaced. Fortunately I found the guy's cell# online and he was helpful. However, his customer service people were not very responsive. I did get a replacement, but tried it and it made 0 difference. He sent an email claiming that this is a known issue and you have to disconnect the battery for a while and then reconnect it, repeating a few times for the first month. Apparently this resets the computer memory or something in the fuel injector. I don't want to have to mess around with this kind of thing multiple times to force it to work. It should work from the get go...
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bovCA
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Message Posted: Jun 24, 2008 2:06:08 PM
NO! Overpriced hoax. Newer cars are already calibrated to work this out. Plus, in CA we already pay for it in the summertime blend.
Drive slower and you'll save $$$. Plus, consider the cost vs. how much more gas you could have bought? The $25 rebate is a PITA and a lot of work. Not worth it and not worth any special advertisement on site.
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GCL
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2008 8:48:28 AM
Is their money green? If so - then it should be fair for them to advertise. A possible disclaimer regarding the effectiveness of the product or a non-endorsement by GasBuddy might not be a bad idea.
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RocketGeek
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2008 8:25:21 AM
I think that whoever pays the rate can advertise. That said--I think GasBuddy could risk some credibility of the product is not what it is advertised to be.
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QueenMother
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Message Posted: Jun 13, 2008 9:43:59 AM
I'm skeptical on using products that are advertized as saving money at the pump.
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stevieroy
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Message Posted: Jun 12, 2008 11:30:48 AM
After seeing this poll question, I have 2 thoughts.
1. I guess ads are ads and revenue. I would put a significantly sized disclaimer on this product. Do the same for any other product claiming to enhance performance, mileage, horsepower etc.
2. Having lived in California for a long time (74-87) and having read the Ethos materials I can assure you I did NOT get better mileage on my cars in general. I moved there with a Datsun that I still owned when I left. Got the same mileage in 1974 in CA as in 1973 in NM and the same (or worse) in CA in 1985!
Don't get the essence of the claim by Ethos. Smog is better but mileage and engine lifetime/performance is either the same or worse in my experience. I'm not buying.
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